Wednesday, February 07, 2007

Historians weigh in on "Sepember Dawn"

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=871036
From KSL News:
...

The writer-director of "September Dawn" told us his portrayal is historically accurate. The church calls it a distortion, and some, but not all, historians agree. Some analysts predict the portrayal of 19th-century fanaticism will upset many in Utah and possibly hurt Mitt Romney's presidential campaign.

...

Board members of the Utah Westerners were meeting so we showed them the trailer. One hundred fifty years after the fact, these eight historians and history buffs don't agree on Brigham Young's role in the massacre.

Will Bagley, Historian: "Brigham Young was the man in charge, and that's where the orders originated."

John Eldredge, Historian: "I do believe he found out about the massacre after the fact and probably was involved in some of the cover up."

In a show of hands only three of the eight agree that Young ordered the massacre, and one more said Young condoned it. All eight agreed he covered up the facts.

Writer-director Christopher Cain told us his film follows historical records closely. It portrays Young condoning, but not ordering, the massacre.

Christopher Cain: "I would say one of his speeches said that he felt that there was a need to protect his people." Q: By doing violence?" A: "By doing violence."

The director says he was drawn to the subject by parallels with modern-day religious fanaticism.

...

It's scheduled to open May 4th in about a thousand theaters nationwide.

Tuesday, February 06, 2007

BYU Polygamy Page relocated


Apparently the BYU Polygamy page (polygamy.byu.edu) has been relocated to another site (thanks for the tip Chino Blanco). The Salt Lake Tribune has some details about the relocation here: http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_5171406 .

The new site can be viewed here: http://www.mormon-polygamy.org/

Additional material is on the new page in addition to basics of LDS doctrine:

BYU Polygamy Page: Did Joseph Smith marry Young Girls?


One of the questions posed on the short lived, so called "BYU Polygamy Page," (see http://mormoninquiry.typepad.com/mormon_inquiry/2007/02/here_today_gone.html ) was "Did Joseph Smith Marry Young Girls?" and if so, would this indicate that he was either immoral or even a pedophile.

The article (possibly written by Jim Engebretsen who copyrighted the "project" in the original BYU page) states that "the most conservative estimates indicate that Joseph entered into plural marriages with 33 women, 6 of whom were under the age of 18. The youngest was Helen Mar Kimball, daughter of LDS apostle Heber C. Kimball, who was 14. The rest were 16 (two) or 17 (three)."

Two of Joseph Smith's young wives are discussed, the 1st being Helen Mar Kimball. The article points out that opinions as to whether Joseph Smith had sexual relations with Helen Mar Kimball are mixed, with Todd Compton (author of the most recent scholarly book on Joseph Smith and polygamy, "In Sacred Loneliness: The Plural Wives of Joseph Smith") believing that there was no such relationship, but that it was instead, a dynastic marriage "to tie faithful families together." The article points out that the Tanners and other critics "assume that everything 'is all about sex'" revealing dimensions of their own biases.

While the article illustrates that the youngest wife (age 14) probably did not have sexual relations with Joseph Smith, the author bases his argument for Joseph's lack of sexual relations with Helen Mar Kimball on Compton's arguments. But he fails to mention Compton's assessment that sexual relations were the norm in Joseph's marriages except isolated cases [Compton, p.15]. By addressing only Helen Mar Kimball, one is left wondering if her case (and the case of sexuality) was the norm.

It seems that the article is the beginning of an apologetic approach towards difficult issues surrounding Joseph's young wives. However, rather than dealing with issues regarding polygamy head on, aspects of the article seem to lead the reader to make inferences that are incorrect or misrepresented.

Frank discussions of polygamy are needed, particularly from the church's perspective. But they should not mislead readers towards incorrect assumptions.

Salt lake Lacks Department Store


http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=861185

For First Time in Nearly 140 Years, SLC Lacks Department Store
February 3rd, 2007 @ 2:57pm

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- Saturday's closing of the Macy's store downtown
marks the first time in 139 years that Utah's capital city is without
a department store.

Ever since The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints founded
Zions Cooperative Mercantile Institution in 1868, there has been a
department store in the heart of downtown.

ZCMI is considered one of the country's first department stores and
was founded by church leaders to protect Mormons from Non-Mormon
merchants, according to one historian.

Today, the church has a more inclusive business model and downtown
retailers Macy's and Nordstrom are closing down temporarily while the
LDS church redevelops the downtown malls.

The $1 billion City Creek Center will open in 2011 with a total of
four department stores including Macy's and Nordstrom. The church
hopes the project, which will also include office and condominium
towers, will restore Main Street shopping to the draw it used to be
when a trip to ZCMI was an event.

"It's really too bad that that historic center of commerce will be put
on hold for a while," says Kent Powell, history programs manager for
the Division of State History. "Hopefully, with the new developments
down there, that will be a springboard to continue the tradition and
commercial significance of the area."

Uncomfortable with the influx of non-Mormons to the territory, then
LDS church President Brigham Young directed community and business
leaders to create the cooperative, according to Utah historian Martha
Sonntag Bradley, whose history of the homegrown store is called "ZCMI:
America's First Department Store."

Young thought non-Mormon merchants were selling Mormons overpriced
goods. He and other church leaders encouraged members to shop
exclusively at ZCMI, according to a brochure written by the Utah
Heritage Foundation.

Young was ZCMI's first president and customer, buying $1,000 worth of
goods, according to Bradley's book.

The May Co. purchased ZCMI in 1999 and the chain became Meier & Frank
stores. With a merger last year they became Macy's.

All that remains of the old store is ZCMI's 1876 cast-iron facade,
which still serves as the entrance to Macy's. The church has said it
will remove the facade during construction and put it back on the
front of the new Macy's store.

"I don't think there's the same sort of emotional connection to Macy's
or Meier and Frank as there was to ZCMI," says Bradley. "ZCMI was a
historical artifact a lot of people were connected to. It would be
much more controversial to put ZCMI down."

Utah State History Conference


http://history.utah.gov/news_and_events/news_briefs/index.html

Call For Papers:

The 55th Annual Utah State History Conference will be held September
6th-8th in the Salt Lake City Public Library. Proposals for
individual papers or sessions should be submitted before June 1, 2007.
Proposals should include a one-page description of the topic and its
significance, any audio visual needs, mailing address and telephone
number participants, and a one or two paragraph biography of each
participant. Proposals can be mailed or e-mailed to Kent Powell,
Utah State Historical Society, 300 Rio Grande, Salt Lake City,
84101-1182, kpowell@utah.gov For further information please call
(801) 533-3520.

BYU Polygamy Page - dumped


News about the ephemeral pages at BYU give pause to reflect on the nature of such short-lived information sources. Internet stuff doesn't live very long. Isn't it nice to know that a mistake can be made to go away just that easily?

I remember the original Mormon-l online discussion, back in prehistoric times. It was another technological experiment hosted by BYU resources, that started out as a wonderful idea, but much to the dismay of many participants, it quickly evolved into something else. Someone at BYU apparently got wise to the arrangement and pulled the plug. Didn't really have much effect on that kind of dialog -- the forum quickly jumped over to a new host, and continued on the same trend. But it was no longer officially associated with BYU.

Perhaps one good lesson I can reiterate is that not everything we can say should be said. Effective and accurate communication requires careful thought, sometimes even a bit of planning. Written expression used to be laborious and costly enough that it usually incorporated those facets. Many of our high-tech modes of expression no longer do -- or at least, the medium does not impose conditions that are explicitly conducive to those qualities. And culturally we seem well adapted to assimilating bits of information, hot little sparks that flare up so quickly, then just as rapidly fade into obscurity.


BYU Polygamy Page - dumped



http://www.sltrib.com/ci_5166192

Quick divorce
BYU polygamy Web page dumped

'Personal project' had sought to explain topic
By Brooke Adams

The Salt Lake Tribune

Article Last Updated:02/06/2007 06:52:44 AM MST
A Brigham Young University employee's attempt to offer an explanation
of "Mormon polygamy" on the school's Web site proved short-lived.
Jim Engebretsen pulled a polygamy page he had posted at
polygamy.byu.edu on Monday afternoon after being told it violated
university policy.
Engebretsen did not have approval to place the "personal project"
on the school's official Web site, said Carrie Jenkins, BYU
spokeswoman.
But for at least three days, it appeared BYU might be tackling
head-on a topic that has bedeviled its owner, The Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints, whose own Web site approaches the subject
of polygamy with great care.
By Common Consent, a blog site that offers LDS news and
commentary, announced Engebretsen's page Saturday under the headline,
"BYU debuts a website devoted to Mormon polygamy."
At the page, visitors could read about the origins of polygamy in
the LDS Church as well as current LDS Church President Gordon B.
Hinckley's denouncement of its modern-day practice (the church
abandoned plural marriage in 1890). The site offered scriptural
references to polygamy, speeches on the topic by former LDS leaders
and links to academic research on plural marriage.
Its approach was candid, to say the least.
Under the heading "Polygamy," it posed such questions as "Did
Joseph Smith marry young girls?" and "Did Joseph Smith lie about
practicing polygamy?" with answers drawn from or linked to scholarly
works at other Web sites.
The answers in short: Yes and yes, but times were different and
the dishonesty was a form of civil disobedience, according to Gregory
L. Smith's linked paper at The Foundation for Apologetic Information
and Research.
Engebretsen is the MBA director and an assistant dean for
corporate relations and career placement at BYU's Marriott School of
Management.
He and two BYU professors - Daniel Peterson and Robert Millet -
recently launched the More Good Foundation to help spread positive,
accurate information about the LDS faith on the Internet.
The polygamy page was launched in that spirit, said Engebretsen,
who worked with students to create the site and its content.
In his experience, Engebretsen said, polygamy ranks next to Mormon
missionaries - a subject he also plans to take on in the future - as
the most misunderstood aspects of the faith.
"It is a project to help people understand a little more about
polygamy and our church history," he said. "This is an attempt to put
down factual information."
Monday, Engebretsen acknowledged that as a relative newcomer to
Utah and BYU - he moved here from Philadelphia two years ago - he was
still "trying to figure things out."
"I thought they had cleared more of the information than they
had," he said. "We'll find another home for it. We were just trying to
get good content out. I can understand why they don't want it to be
associated with BYU."
brooke@sltrib.com

Upcoming LDS Film



http://www.ldsfilm.com/index.shtml

The Dance: A new romantic comedy

Familiar Spirits: LDS indie horror flick

Beauty and the Beast: A Latter-day Tale: Based on the original 1700s fairytale

Tears of a King: A new Elvis Much Elvis's life and career are retold
in flashback sequences after he receives a Book of Mormon

Passage to Zarahemla. contemporary people travel to Book of Mormon times.

The Return: Romance/drama/comedy

Another Singles Ward: The follow-up to 2002's "The Singles Ward"

The Work and the Glory 3: A House Divided: based on Gerald Lund's
third book, "The Truth Will Prevail;"

Nobody Knows: The Untold Story of Black Mormons: Documentary About
the 1978 revelation allowing the priesthood to go to
African-Americans.

Legacy: Documentary about World War II veterans noting their
experiences during the war and looking at how those of us in younger
generations might live up to what those Veterans fought for.

Wolfman's Cabin: Legend has it that a man went insane and killed his
family in the mountains of Eastern Idaho who returns to his cabin each
year on the anniversary of the murders.

September Dawn: a love story set against the 19th Century massacre of
a wagon train of settlers in Utah at the hands of a renegade Mormon
group starring oscar winning Jon Voight

Helmuth Hubener biopic: Documentary about the German Latter-day Saint
teenager who opposed Adolf Hitler during World War II;

Confessions of a Hot Roddin', Pinstripin', Kustomizin', Teenage Icon:
feature-length documentary about Latter-day Saint artist Ed "Big
Daddy" Roth

The Global Mormonism Project


http://globalmormonism.byu.edu/

The Global Mormonism Project is dedicated to the collection,
generation, and dissemination of scholarship on The Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints, more commonly known as the Mormon or LDS
Church. Based out of Religious Education at Brigham Young University,
Provo, Utah, our online undertaking promises to offer students and
scholars of religion, as well as interested church members and
friends, easy access to information on Mormonism in every region and
country of the world, as well as topics of international scope.

Mormon convert says Iran tortured him


http://www.sltrib.com/ci_5150329

By Robert Gehrke
The Salt Lake Tribune
Article Last Updated: 02/03/2007 01:38:26 AM MST

WASHINGTON - Iranian-born Ghollam Nikbin says he is nearing the
justice he has longed for since he sued Iran and its former president
in federal court three years ago, alleging he was tortured for
converting to Mormonism.
In a federal court hearing Friday, Nikbin testified in graphic
detail about the abuse he endured for several years in Iran for
abandoning Islam. He and experts also testified about the lingering
effects, which include almost nightly nightmares.
The hearing was a formality. Iran has not answered the claims,
and Nikbin is assured victory.
He is seeking about $40 million in damages.
Whether he will collect remains uncertain, but Nikbin is optimistic.
"I'm going to get justice," he told The Tribune after the
hearing. "All the money is going to be spent for destroying the
Islamic Republic of Iran" and the men who tortured him.
Nikbin's story began in 1975, when he came to the United States on
a scholarship. He earned an MBA and landed a job at Merrill Lynch in
New York City in 1979, the same year a revolution in Iran installed a
strict theocracy there.
He fell in love with a Utah woman who was a member of The Church
of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He converted to the faith and
was baptized in Murray. He and the woman married in 1982. They
divorced in 1985, but NikÂbin stayed and became a U.S. citizen in
1991.
Two years later, he returned to Iran to be with his family. His
mother and sister arranged a marriage for him, but the Munkerat, a
government agency that enforces Islamic law, raided the ceremony after
agents spied young boys dancing with their mothers, a violation of
Islamic code.
Nikbin says he was lashed 40 times and suffered cuts all over his body.
From that moment, he said, "It was in my blood, the hate for that
government."
He spoke out against the government wherever he went. As he was
returning to America in 1995, he was detained at the airport and taken
to a prison.
"They questioned me that I change my religion and I deny it,"
Nikbin said. Days later interrogators confronted him with a Mormon
baptism certificate they likely found in his home.
His captors bound his bare feet and whipped them with an
electrical cord until his feet were bloodied and numb, he says. He
couldn't walk for days, he testified.
Weeks later, he was brought before a cleric, who pronounced
death by beheading.
"Every time I heard someone walking in the [prison] hallway, I
thought, 'It was my turn,' " Nikbin testified.
After months in prison, friends suggested he fake mental illness
so he could claim he was insane when he converted and he might be
spared. Nikbin was sent to an asylum, forcibly drugged and left in a
stupor. He was shipped to another jail, where he nearly died before
his brother and friends bought his freedom, he said.
Nikbin fled Iran in 1998 but he was tortured again, by guards
at the airport.
Back in the United States, Nikbin started a desperate campaign to
get his family out of Iran, eventually succeeding with help from Sen.
Orrin Hatch, R-Utah.
Today, Nikbin suffers severe mental scars from his time in
captivity, psychiatrist Howard Berens testified. He is depressed,
moody and withdrawn. He fears for his safety and sometimes suffers
flashbacks.
"I do have a nightmare every night," Nikbin said. "On the street .
. . on the subway, if my mind goes where it's not supposed to go, my
tears come out without my control."
The tears also came out after the hearing Friday when he talked
about his daughter, now 12, a straight-A student who lives with his
ex-wife. He said he lives in fear the Iranian government might kill
her.
In another U.S. District Court room Friday, a judge heard from an
Iranian seeking $1.2 billion, claiming Iranian agents assassinated his
prominent grandfather and took his fortune.
Iran won't fight the cases, but collecting damages is difficult,
said Sean Murphy, a professor of international law at George
Washington University. Most countries cannot be sued under
international law, but U.S. law has an exception for Iran and others
deemed sponsors of terrorism by the State Department.
When the lawsuits were first allowed, some plaintiffs were able to
recover damages by locating Iranian assets left in the United States,
but those were quickly tapped out.
"It's a tough situation, because often these are compelling
stories and you say, 'Wow, they should be able to get some
compensation.' But there's not much there to get, so in most cases
they aren't vindicated," Murphy said.
Judge John Bates will likely award damages to Nikbin this spring
or summer. Nikbin's attorney, William Pepper, said he is certain
Nikbin will collect his judgment by finding Iranian holdings in other
countries and getting foreign courts to recognize the U.S. ruling.
"The process is effective if you know how to do it," said
Pepper. "Most American lawyers just don't know how to do it."
But Murphy said foreign courts are unlikely to recognize the
U.S. exception to Iran's immunity.
Today, Nikbin lives with a brother in New York City. The effects
of his ordeal, he said, make holding a job difficult. He currently
works at a friend's nightclub.
rgehrke@sltrib.com

Will Pope Benedict become a Mormon after he dies?



http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=inDepthNews&storyid=2007-02-04T232218Z_01_L02184168_RTRUKOC_0_US-RELIGION-MORMONS-BAPTISM.xml&src=rss&rpc=81

By Tom Heneghan, Religion Editor

PARIS (Reuters) - Pope Benedict was baptized at birth and will most likely be baptized again one year after his death, not by his Roman Catholic Church but by a Mormon he never met.

The Mormons, a U.S.-based denomination officially named the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (LDS), encourage members to baptize the dead by proxy in the belief they are helping the deceased attain full access to heaven.

Church members are told to focus on their ancestors, a rite understandable in a relatively new denomination founded in 1830. But so many now perform the rituals for celebrities, heroes and perfect strangers that the practice has spun out of control.

Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Genghis Khan, Mao Zedong, King Herod, Al Capone and Mickey Mouse have all appeared for a short time in the International Genealogical Index for proxy baptisms, said Helen Radkey, a researcher specialized in the IGI.

.......

Sunday, February 04, 2007

LDS Tech Website


http://tech.lds.org/

With the global reach of the Church, members from around the world are curious about the type of technical work we do. This web site is designed to give you a glimpse into that work and how you can get involved.

Our Purpose

In order to achieve this goal, we have several cultural beliefs that governs all of our work.

Be the Standard

We contribute in making our technology department a world class IT organization that sets the standard for the industry.

Receive Revelation

We call down the Lord's help in doing our work to aid in exalting the human family.

Know Our Customer

We understand our customers, those in the field and those at headquarters.

Speak Up

We professionally challenge, ask questions, propose alternatives, and exchange feedback.

Know Our Role

We understand our roles, act decisively, and encourage others to do the same.

Performance = Results

We take accountability to meet commitments and deliver services better, faster, cheaper.

Make It Easy

We use and improve processes so that it is easy to work with the Technology department.


Our new LDS Technology site is a culmination of various technologies, many of which are freely available in the open source domain.

In creating the new LDSTech web site, we had a few technical objectives that we wanted to meet. They were.

  1. Demonstrate our use of open source software.
  2. Create a site that was community friendly and encouraged participation.
  3. Limit the amount of resources that the Church would need to spend in maintaining and supporting the web site.

Forums can be read at : http://beta.tech.lds.org/forum/

Irreantum fiction contest



THE ASSOCIATION FOR MORMON LETTERS announces its seventh annual Irreantum fiction contest. Irreantum is a literary journal dedicated to Mormon culture; therefore, all contest entries must relate to the Mormon experience. For more information, email aml@aml-online.org or visit http://www.aml-online.org/.

BYU Polygamy Page


http://polygamy.byu.edu/polygamy.html

Polygamy has been widely practiced throughout history in many different cultures and although Mormons today no longer practice it, polygamy is still common in many parts of Africa and Asia, as well in small pockets through North and South America. This section will ultimately contain articles which discuss polygamy throughout history and in various cultures. For now, articles will be reproduces from the website for FAIRLDS.org which contains research and information on Mormonism. These are scholarly articles and will here include short introductions, but will otherwise be reproduced exactly as the authors wrote them.

Scholarly Articles about Mormon Polygamy:

Does the Book of Mormon condemn Polygamy?

http://polygamy.byu.edu/book_mormon_polygamy.html


Did Joseph Smith marry young girls?

http://polygamy.byu.edu/joseph_smith_marriage.html


Does the Revelation on Polygamy contradict the Book of Mormon?

http://polygamy.byu.edu/D&C_polygamy.html


Outside Articles:

Did Joseph Smith lie about practicing Polygamy?

http://www.fairlds.org/Misc/Polygamy_Prophets_and_Prevarication.pdf


Doesn't the Bible condemn Polygamy?

http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/response/qa/plural_paul.htm


Did Joseph Smith condemn Polygamy?

http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/response/qa/against_plural.htm


Didn't the Mormon quit Polygamy because of the Government?

http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/response/qa/plural_revelation.htm

Religious and Mormon Literature Position at Utah Valley State College


Religious and Mormon Literature Position at Utah Valley State College


The Utah Valley State College English & Literature Department seeks
applications for a tenure-track, Assistant Professor of English who
can bring a scholarly, interdisciplinary approach to teaching
literature of religion and the sacred, as well as literature that
emerges from a religious culture, with preference given to those who
specialize in Mormon literature and related genres. We welcome
qualified applicants from a variety of disciplines including, but not
limited to, Religious Studies, American Studies, Cultural Studies,
Comparative Literature, and American Literature. A Ph.D. from a
regionally accredited institution is required at the time of
appointment; ABDs will be considered.

For additional details visit http://www.uvsc.jobs (where applications
should be submitted), or email Professor Lee Ann Mortensen, the hiring
committee chair at: mortenle@uvsc.edu. UVSC is an AA/EO/Equal Access
employer. Applications received by February 28th will receive priority
consideration. This position will remain open until filled, pending
funding.

Fwd: Warren Jeffs taken to Hospital, Returned to Jail



http://www.kcsg.com/story.aspx?id=2235
Warren Jeffs taken to Hospital, Returned to Jail

Tuesday, January 30, 2007

FLDS leader, Warren Jeffs was taken to the hospital earlier this
week after he was found distressed.

Some former members of his polygamist group wonder if the incident had
to do with one of his prophecies.

Three years ago Jeffs prophesized that he would die a martyr and this
latest medical scare has former FLDS members, wondering if Jeffs is
getting a little nervous, that prophecy may not be fulfilled.

Ross Chatwin, former FLDS member: "Well if he doesn't die as he
prophesized here that I think that would be good for us."

Ross Chatwin was born into the FLDS religion.

He knew Warren Jeffs personally and says

Jeffs has told his followers he will be a martyr.

Ross Chatwin: "He just said that we has going to be just like the
prophet Joseph Smith."

Joseph Smith was the first prophet of the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter Day Saints.

He was killed while in Carthidge Jail in 1844 by an angry mob.

Chatwin predicts if Jeffs dies as he prophesized his follower's faith
will become even stronger.

Jeffs was checked out Sunday morning by Purgatory jail medical staff
for heart problems.

He was taken to Dixie Regional Medical Center.

Because of privacy issues, we can't get specific details on his condition.

Jeffs checked out just fine and today he is in good health according
to Washington County Sheriff's Department.

Because he is such a high profile inmate, additional officers even
members of the SWAT team were called in to escort him.

Officials with Purgatory Jail are taking every precaution to keep
Jeffs alive and healthy.

Lt. Jake Adams, Washington County Sheriff's Department: "We're
monitoring him closely and making sure that he is getting enough
nutrition, food and the medical treatment he needs."

If Jeffs does stay alive while in jail, Chatwin predicts his followers
may question him as a prophet and Jeffs may be starting to get
nervous, too.

Ross Chatwin: "I think the reality is starting to set in…I think that
he is starting to realize that he has made some serious mistakes here
and it is starting to catch up with him."

Warren Jeffs has been in Purgatory Jail since September.
He was on the FBI's Most Wanted list and arrested in August after a
traffic stop on I15.

He faces charges of rape as an accomplice for arranging the marriage
of an underage girl to a member of his church

Mormon Studies Conference

The Mormon Studies Conference is an annual spring conference sponsored by the UVSC's Religious Studies Program. The event is designed to explore topics in Mormon theology, philosophy, history, culture, folklore, literature, politics, etc.

The Seventh Annual Mormon Studies Conference

Mormons and the Environment

Wednesday, April 4th
10am-4pm

Speakers include Thomas Alexander, George Handley, and Steven Peck

Tuesday, January 30, 2007

Mirrors of Mormon-Issues


I've made two mirrors of the Mormon-Issues email list that are more publicly accessible. One is in blog format and the other is on google-groups. Google-groups is a descendant of the old news groups from the 80s and early 90s. News groups later became Deja-News, which later became google groups..

You can access either here:
The blog doesn't update as quickly as the group. I hope to work this kink out soon. The google group updates almost immediately from the email group. Currently, no comments from the email-group go out to the group or blog. So you don't have to worry that any comments you make on the email-list will become public.

Both of these have nice search engines to make it easy to find old posts. The blog goes back to 2004, but the dates are incorrect on some of the posts. The group goes back through 2005 with correct dates.

Mountain Meadows Movie



"Jon Voight, Dean Cain and Terence Stamp are set to upset Mormons across
America by revisiting the religion's darkest day in a controversial new
film.

September Dawn recalls the Mountain Meadows Massacre in 1857, when a
group of Mormons, disguised as Paiute Indians, slaughtered all but 17
small children on a wagon train on its way to California.

One man, the adopted son of Mormon leader Brigham Young, was eventually
executed for the crime - 20 years later.

The film, which will hit cinemas in May (07), is deemed controversial
because it presents a point of view held strongly by hundreds of direct
descendants of the massacre: that the iconic Brigham Young had
complicity in the massacre, a view denied by the Mormon Church, even today.

Voight will play a Mormon leader and Stamp will portray Brigham Young in
the movie, which also features Lolita Davidovich and Jon Gries, who
revived his career by starring in Mormon writer/director Jared Hess'
breakthrough comedy Napoleon Dynamite."

Marcus Borg in Salt Lake



MARCUS BORG IN SALT LAKE CITY

CHRIST UNITED METHODIST CHURCH
2375 East 3300 South
Salt Lake City, UT 84109

FEBRUARY 2-4, 2007







CHRISTIANITY FOR THE HEART.
AND THE HEAD.

Friday, Feb 2, 7:30-9:00 PM
Saturday, Feb 3, 9:00 AM - 3:00 PM
Sunday, Feb 4, 9:00 - 10:00 AM

FRIDAY NIGHT LECTURE (Feb. 2)
7:30 - 9:00 PM

Two Visions of Christianity Today: Seeing the Difference,
Building Bridges

Brief Description: Christians and the church in North America today are deeply
divided by two very different visions of Christianity, including ways of seeing the
Bible, the Christian tradition, and the Christian life. The lecture describes these two
visions of Christianity, clarifying the differences and seeking points of commonality.


SATURDAY ALL DAY LECTURES (Feb. 3)
Seeing the Christian Life Again
9:00 AM - 3:00 PM

1. Morning 9:00 - 10:00 AM
What Ails Us? The Need for Personal Transformation
Q and A Until 10:15 AM.

Brief Break 10:15 - 10:30 AM

2. Morning 10:30 - 11:45 AM
What Ails Us? The Need for Political Transformation
Q and A Until 12:00 Noon.


Lunch Break 12:00 NOON - 1:15 PM

3. Afternoon 1:15 - 2:30 PM
Transformation: Prayer, Worship, and Practice

Q and A Until 3:00 PM.


SUNDAY MORNING SERMON ( Feb. 4)
9:00 - 10:00 AM

Open Hearts and Thin Places. Two metaphors that express much of
what is central to Christian life and to our life together as church.

Coffee Break 10:00 - 10:30 AM

10:30 - 11:30 AM
Discussion between Dr. Borg and interested persons


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Marcus J. Borg (Ph.D., Oxford University) is Hundere Distinguished Professor of Religion and Culture at Oregon State University. Known as one of the leading historical Jesus scholars of this generation, he is the author of ten books, two of which have become best-sellers, Jesus: A New Vision and
Meeting Jesus Again for the First Time. His most recent publication is The Heart of Christianity: How We Can Be Passionate Believers Today (2003). He has lectured widely in this country (including at the Smithsonian and Chautauqua Institutions) and overseas ( England, Austria, Germany, Belgium, Hungary, Israel, and South Africa). His books have been translated into German, Dutch, Korean, and French.

An outstanding teacher, Borg has received all of Oregon State University's major awards for teaching, including one from the legislature. He is the first person in the College of Liberal Arts to be designated "Distinguished Professor" by the university. He has twice been President of the CLA Faculty Council.

Borg teaches both lower and upper division courses. His courses include Great Ideas, World-Views and Values in the Bible, Philosophy and Religion, World-Views and Environmental Values,
Great Figures: The Historical Jesus, and a variety of special topics courses.

Borg sees philosophy as primarily concerned with the role of ideas in our lives. "Ideas matter," Borg says, "much more than we commonly think they do - especially our world-views and values, namely our ideas about what is real and how we are to live. We receive such ideas from our culture as we grow up, and unless we examine them, we will not be free persons, but will to a large extent live out the agenda of our socialization."